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Poster: snow_and_rain Date: Dec 6, 2011 8:51am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: No excuse necessary ...

Cleveland rocks! Cleveland rocks! Cuyahoga River really lit a fire under the band that night.

The Dark Star is not for everyone, but it's one of the biggest, baddest Stars out there. Also includes what are arguably the best versions of China> Rider and Here Comes Sunshine. A classic triumvirate of Jerry songs with DS> Eyes> Stella.

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Poster: midnightcarousel Date: Dec 6, 2011 9:50am
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The eyes on this date is pretty sick. I think it's often overlooked due to the controversial Dark Star that precedes it, but it is definitely in my top 5 eyes ever (this list only allows 73-74 eyes, since most of the ones that came after are way too fast and lack the summery warmth of the early versions).

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Poster: Diamondhead Date: Dec 6, 2011 10:08am
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Ok, I'm with stupid. Why is this DS controversial?

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Poster: midnightcarousel Date: Dec 6, 2011 10:20am
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I think I see it as controversial since I've seen a lot of debate over whether it is worth listening to or not. It's one of the more out-there dark stars with lots of ambient Phil bombs and wild feedback. I think it is definitely worthwhile although I don't often have the patience to listen to it all the way through.

It's also a bit unusual, in that it does not actually begin at any definitive point, the band just sort of oozes into it (reminds of the famed Watkins Glen jam). The structure of it is also somewhat unusual, although I haven't listened to it in a while so I don't remember exactly how - I believe the order of the different sections is somehow "inverted" (at least this is how I've heard it described).

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Poster: snow_and_rain Date: Dec 6, 2011 10:30am
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Re: Structure of 12/6/73 Dark Star. Generally speaking, most Dark Stars begin with some structure and get progressively spacier. This one is the other way around to some extent -- although the scariest, spaciest part is right in the middle.

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Dec 6, 2011 11:00am
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I posted a variety of reviews here, so you can read the controversy!
http://deadessays.blogspot.com/2011/06/dark-star-12673-guest-post.html

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Poster: yesss! Date: Dec 6, 2011 4:18pm
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great post, thanks. the mellower jams of late '73 are pretty hit and miss with me, but i really love this dark star- especially the arpeggio/drone/feedback section from 17:30-21:30. billy sitting out makes that space feel so deep and intimate, and phil's controlled feedback is awesome. a really nice zone. lots of other great nooks and crannies throughout the rest of the tune as well.

and for people who find the star to be too long or boring- do what i did and make an edited version for your own enjoyment. i know it is blasphemy, but i have used protools to shorten and edit several jams that i love but that have sections that, to me, don't work as well as the rest of the piece. i got this beast down to 24:36 and you can't even tell where the cuts are!

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Poster: snori Date: Dec 6, 2011 11:26am
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Thanks for posting that LIA. I think this Dark Star is challenging, and I will admit to finding parts of it dull, but overall the great moments (and Keith !) win out and after all isn't this kind of exploration why we come here.

You want controversy ? Which is the better China/Rider ? This or 1974-02-24 ?

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Poster: scotch_glass Date: Dec 6, 2011 4:45pm
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I agree with your adjective of "challenging" to describe this Dark Star. Personally, I'm not a big fan, the long spacy segments kind of make me lose interest after a while and there is never a moment that grabs me and brings me back into it. I respect it as a great Dark Star but not one of my top versions and not one I will listen to regularly.

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Poster: jerlouvis Date: Dec 6, 2011 12:39pm
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Sadly it isn't and never was the kind exploratory music most "deadheads" enjoyed,thus the controversy,but fuck them it is a brilliant piece of music.

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Poster: LazyLight Date: Dec 6, 2011 12:46pm
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"You want controversy ? Which is the better China/Rider ? This or 1974-02-24 ?"

I think you mis-spelled 1974-05-19

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Poster: snori Date: Dec 6, 2011 3:00pm
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Entirely posssible, I'm not completely in charge of my keyboard at the moment so I'll accept a three-way tie.

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Poster: BVD Date: Dec 6, 2011 3:48pm
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Regarding China/Rider; bot you guys spelled it wrong. It's this one 4/8/72

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Poster: clementinescaboose Date: Dec 6, 2011 2:22pm
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We've talked about this before over at the TA but the Eyes is definitely the "unsung hero" of this show as you have said. The post song jamming and especially the hot transition into Stella are what make this one so special to me. agree with mc about top 5 status...